JLH1969 MOSFET Class A/AB amp

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 楼主| 发表于 2007-11-3 19:31 | 显示全部楼层
ateast99, I used a 1k variable resistor to adjust idle current.

its size depends on your supply rail voltage and your idle current for the phase splitter.

the BJT version has larger current going through the bootstrap resistors. as a result, those resistors need to be beefier.

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发表于 2007-11-3 20:58 | 显示全部楼层
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发表于 2007-11-3 22:02 | 显示全部楼层
学习了!
说得很透彻!经验很丰富!
大家可以在“millwood ”的指导下
多动动手,有什么疑问说出来大家一起学习学习!!!


但,我还是比较喜欢纯甲类的

有温度 有塌实感
温度实在是太高的话

加大散热器吧!
或可以加个大的静音风扇

我的想法!!!

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 楼主| 发表于 2007-11-3 22:24 | 显示全部楼层
ateast99: not sure why Ra would burn up. any DC current from the JLH is blocked by r2. maybe the preamp has significant DC output that burned Ra?

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 楼主| 发表于 2007-11-3 22:26 | 显示全部楼层
"但,我还是比较喜欢纯甲类的"

you can run the mosfets in class a as well. just dial up the idle current. the good thing here is that mosfets don't suffer from secondary breakdown, are more rugged than BJTs, are much easier to drive than BJTs (especially 2n3055).

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发表于 2007-11-4 00:38 | 显示全部楼层
great topic!
i have a BJT version JLH headphone Amp which is really low effeciency and providing the warmest sound i 've heard,but it's has some defects:needing to be warmed up for 30mins and really very lack of bass(my one is with a 10k pot and 1uf wima coupling cap and 440uf output cap,i calulated the corner fz is enough low),what can i do to modify it for more bass?
i would like to modify your fet version into a portable ear amp,because i think jfet and class ab is more effective than bjt and class a,but after reading your posts above,it seems that it's not so good sound if i bias it into class ab....
thanks a lot ^-^

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 楼主| 发表于 2007-11-4 01:20 | 显示全部楼层
maxyeah: the MOSFET version is every bit as good sounding as the BJT version but I will leave others to judge. it is particularly suited to drive reactive loads or low impedance loads due to its current capabilities.

your issue may be due to too low of an input impedance. the original jlh doesn't have the best biasing scheme for the input BJT. you may refer to the one I posted earlier.

Also, you may consider using a p-channel MOSFET as the input transistor. Zetex has a line of them in to92 package (ZVP10xx series, or BS250p). Just make sure that Cgs is <200pf, and you use a 110 gate stopper there in case of oscillation.

i am assuming that your headphone amp isn't a portable application.

In that case, a full blown jlh is an overkilled and you can greatly simplify the design.

I will post a couple of them later.

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 楼主| 发表于 2007-11-4 01:24 | 显示全部楼层
the following was posted somewhere a few days ago. it used to be called super-linear pair but effectively it is a JLH front end with a resistor load (you can envision the JLH upper output transistor to be a constant current source).

it has an input impedance of 10k (R9), gain of 5x (about r5/r4+1), Q1 idle current of 1.5ma, and M1 idle current of 500ma (6w dissipation). you can pretty much use any transistors - if you do use a high powered MOSFET, use a 110ohm gate stopper to slow it down. it can practically drive any low impedance headphone to hear bleeding levels and beyond.

I also included the swithcad simulation file for you to play around.
jlh1969 headphone.GIF

jlh preamp.rar

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 楼主| 发表于 2007-11-4 01:29 | 显示全部楼层
most preamps now output 1vp signals. they are sufficient to drive most low-impedance headphones.

so if you don't want to have a >1.0x gain, you can further simplify the above and make it into a follower.

here it is.
jlh1969 follower.GIF

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 楼主| 发表于 2007-11-4 01:32 | 显示全部楼层
you may notice that R1's rating is quite interesting. it is not a standard 22ohm power resistor. It is not.

it is meant to be a 12v 5w miniature halogen light bulb. the kind that you will get from a lighting store. it is not much bigger than a peanut, and looks quite like a vaccum tube, .

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 楼主| 发表于 2007-11-4 01:36 | 显示全部楼层
depending on your headphone and power supplies, you can play with the numbers and come up with one that works.

for example, if your headphone is very efficient, you can idle at a lower current and reduce the gain so the amp runs cooler.

you can also eliminate Q1 and put this into a follower (gain=1) or a common drain amplifier with some feedback.

flexibility is endless.

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 楼主| 发表于 2007-11-4 01:38 | 显示全部楼层
I would also suggest that you try out tpa6020 (or ths6012) or similar current feedback amps. they are some of the best chip amps out there and are perfectly suited for (portable or desktop) headphone amp applications.

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发表于 2007-11-4 11:17 | 显示全部楼层
thank you so much!
but in my application the mini-fetJLH is supplied by 1 or 2 9v ni-mh batteries so that it's able to be portable...without an heavy transformer and regulator circuits with large caps and resistors.
do you think it's possible to driver the JLH by batteries ? actually,my headphone is AKG's K271s,low impedance and less bass....i remember that an amps sourcing lots of current but not gain so much is best for it,then i tried my BJT JLH ,but i am not really satisfied with it.BUT your posts made me recognize that JLHs are various,so i'd better to make a suitable one to feed my need....my best farvorite head amps are portable ones ,espeacially supllied by batteries,and i have succesed in making some part-discrete battery amps.Since i read your posts,the Keyword FET and CLASSAB like meaning "PORTABLE" "BATTERY".aHa....i am just a  MINI AMP fever

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 楼主| 发表于 2007-11-4 19:52 | 显示全部楼层
maxyeah: that can be challenging. you have to competing priorities.

1) portability requires that it has to be efficient. that means that you want to run the mosfet as it works in Class AB.
2) 9v batteries means that you want the saturation voltages on the active devices to be as low as possible. that means that you do NOT want to use mosfets. Mosfet's usually have saturation voltages over 2-3v, and typically I budget for 4-5v for them. so if you drop 2-3v each device, you have lost 4-6v on the two mosfets and your output swings just 3-5v.

i googled your headphone and it has a 91db/mw sensitivity - low for a headphone. at 55ohm, you will need to drive 3+v peak or 7v swing in the output to generate about 100mw (110 db? very loud).

you can certainly find mosfets with low saturation voltages (Zetex's E-line for example) and they come in either to92 or d-pak so they can be made quite small. However, I think in your case, the answer may lie with an IC like tpa6020 or the likes as they are a lot more efficient and don't lose much in the output devices.

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发表于 2007-11-4 20:18 | 显示全部楼层
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maxyeah:  MOSFET版本与BJT 版本孰好孰坏自有他人公判,由于它的电流输出能力,尤其适合驱动感性负载或者低阻抗的负载.

你的毛病应该出在输入阻抗过低的缘故上.原始版本的JLH并无适合输入BJT偏流的资料,你可以参照早先我发布的一个版本.

同样,你可以使用一个P-沟道的 MOSFET 老作为输入管. Zetex有一个 产品线用 to92封装 (ZVP10xx 系列, or BS250p). 但要确认 Cgs <200pf, 同时为了防止震荡,需要使用一个 110欧姆的栅极电阻( gate stopper).

我假设你的耳机放大器不是一个要移动的装置.

在这样的情况下,整个系列的JLH就是绝杀,你可以轻松地设计了.

我会随后发布一组....

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发表于 2007-11-4 20:33 | 显示全部楼层
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下面的图是几天前在哪里发布过的.通常被称为"超级线性对管",但实际上这个是带了个电阻负载的JLH前级放大(当然你也可以将JLH放大器输出晶体管的上半部分看成是一个恒流源)

电路的输入阻抗是 10k (R9), 增益 5x ( r5/r4+1), Q1 静态电流 1.5ma,  M1 静态电流 500ma (6w 功耗). 你可以方便地选择任何晶体管- 如果你使用一个功率MOSFET,请使用一个110欧姆的栅极减速电阻.它尤其适合驱动任何低阻耳机并使之有脱胎换骨之感.

我同时为你发布 swithcad仿真文件 供参考

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发表于 2007-11-4 20:37 | 显示全部楼层
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大部分前级放大器输出 1vp 信号. 他们可以有效地驱动大部分的低阻抗的耳机.

故如你不希望增益大于1的话,你大可简化上图并改良为射级跟随器的样子,如图:

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发表于 2007-11-4 20:39 | 显示全部楼层
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叫你说的心里氧,呵!有没有这种电路:后 极用场管并联的那种,功率大点了,在30W-50W之间,!
我一直想弄这么个电路.用IRF150.每声道能并联上2对管的,!

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发表于 2007-11-4 20:42 | 显示全部楼层
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你会注意到 R1的电阻数值非常有趣,它不是常规的22欧姆,确实不是.

其实这是一个 12v 5w 小型电灯泡.是那种你可以从照明商店买到的种类.样子不会比一个核桃大,看起来更想一个电子管的样子.

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发表于 2007-11-4 20:49 | 显示全部楼层
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取决于你的耳机和电源供应,你可以选择其一把玩.

比如,如果你的耳机灵敏度高,你可选择小的静态电流并减少增益,使放大器更凉快.

也可将Q1修改成跟随器形式 (gain=1) 甚至是带些反馈的共漏形态放大器.

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