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其实,3886生产商TI公司有份应用文档,AN-1192 Overture™ Series High Power Solutions;讲得很清楚,为什么并联,桥接,并联再桥接,这些都是基础知识,下来全面看下,基本上都有答案
文章开遍,
1 Introduction
Texas Instruments has a broad portfolio of monolithic power integrated circuits covering power levels from
a few hundred milliwatts up to 60W of non-clipped continuous average power. These ICs cover most
audio applications by themselves, however, for really high power applications, other methods need to be
employed because IC packages have limited power dissipation capabilities.
There are many different ways of obtaining over 100W of output power. Most high-end power amplifier
manufacturers utilize discrete circuits which allows them to market their amplifiers as “specially designed.”
However, there is a price to be paid for discrete amplifier designs; they are complex, difficult to design,
require many components, lack the comprehensive protection mechanisms of integrated circuits and are
not as reliable.
Other methods of obtaining output power greater than 100W include the use of power ICs as drivers for
discrete power transistors. There are a number of these types of circuits, but they too possess all of the
same flaws as discrete circuits, including a lack of comprehensive output stage protection.
2 Objective
The objective is to provide simple high-power solutions that are conservatively designed, highly reliable
and have low part count. This document provides three specific, but not unique, application circuits that
provide output power of 100W, 200W, and above. These circuits are the parallel, bridged, and
bridged/parallel configurations.
These three circuits are simple to understand, simple to build and require very few external components
compared to discrete power amplifier designs. Simplicity of design and few components make this solution
much more reliable than discrete amplifiers. In addition, these circuits inherently possess the full protection
of each individual IC that is very difficult and time consuming to design discretely. Finally, these circuits
are well known and have been in industry for years.
3 Conclusion
The BR100 (100W Bridged Circuit), PA100 (100W parallel circuit), and the BPA200 (200W
Bridged/Parallel Circuit) are high power solutions that can be used in many applications, but they are
primarily targeted for home theater amplifier applications such as powered subwoofers, self-powered
speakers, and surround sound amplifiers.
While bridged amplifier configurations are able to provide high power levels, they also consume four times
more power than a conventional single-ended solution. However, it is feasible to conservatively design a
100W bridged amplifier solution, as will be shown here. The bridged solution is designed to drive an 8Ω
nominal load for self-powered speaker or powered subwoofer applications.
The parallel amplifier is another configuration that can be used to obtain higher output power levels by
combining two IC outputs and doubling output current drive capability. The parallel topology provides a
great way of achieving higher power levels while keeping within IC power dissipation limits by driving low
impedance loads, which is the case for many self-powered speaker and powered subwoofer designs. The
main advantage of the parallel configuration is its ability to divide total power dissipation between ICs,
since each amplifier is providing half of the load current. Another advantage of the parallel design is that
unlike the bridge design, more than two ICs can be used. In fact, any number of ICs can be used in a
parallel design and when configured the same will share the power dissipation equally. For example, using
four ICs to drive a 1Ω load means that each IC dissipates 1/4 of the total power dissipation. In other
words, the load to each IC looks like a 4Ω load (Number Of ICs in Parallel * Load Impedance = Load
Impedance seen by each individual IC.) Odd numbers of ICs can also be used.
For lower impedance loads (<8Ω), the parallel circuit is a good solution for 100W power levels using just
two devices. Power levels above 100W may be obtained by using more than two devices to increase
output current capability and power dissipation limits along with lower impedance loads.
大家可借翻译软件,应可理解

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并联使用,似乎都是认为每个芯片的时延完全一模一样,实际上呢,2个芯片时延差异会是什么量级?
我认为,并联使用,芯片的增益差异加上时延差异,共同作用,是会损害音质的

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至于失真,在各自合适的功率范围,按厂方说明书,变化并不明显,在同级范围
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所以,有什么好处,只是个人需要,观点与角庹

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lyr315 发表于 2022-5-16 11:07
并联使用,似乎都是认为每个芯片的时延完全一模一样,实际上呢,2个芯片时延差异会是什么量级?
我认为, ...

对音质具体表现,我认为与9楼描述的情况很符合;
当然,这是针对同一台功放,在单片与两三并联的情况下比较;
如果针对并联的特点,在多片并联后,对输入前端、电源也进行相对应的改造,估计可以维持IC的原有音色

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本帖最后由 martymak 于 2022-5-16 11:49 编辑

The main advantage of the parallel configuration is its ability to divide total power dissipation between ICs,
since each amplifier is providing half of the load current. For example, using four ICs to drive a 1Ω load means
that each IC dissipates 1/4 of the total power dissipation.

.... 这就是并联的好处,别无其他。音質就是合唱味道了, 难听就是喧哗
.... 不过喜欢听和声的丶濃厚的丶应该合味
.... 九楼的评论丶实在坦白丶令人咀丧丶大大的打擊!!!

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lyr315 发表于 2022-5-16 11:15
对音质具体表现,我认为与9楼描述的情况很符合;
当然,这是针对同一台功放,在单片与两三并联的情况下 ...


简单举个例,如果用+/-35伏电压,又是8欧负载,不必并联,如果用+/-35伏,用4欧负载,是不能用单片,不必和不能的区别,没这么玄,至于其它,并没确实依据,都是各人观点与角度的感觉,没有好不好

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jacksl528 发表于 2022-5-16 10:51
你是对的,JEFF Rowland乐林 使用的是6片LM3886并行输出。
在IC并联应用的设计方案中,为了增强驱动 ...

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多谢朋友们的指教,实际上我最近也是想搞一台试试

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前一阵子做过一台LM4781并联功放, 用于夏天替代热烘烘的胆机. 4781是单片3声道, 单片3并联做成一个声道, 用两个明纬的200W开关电源供电. 音源是马兰士ND8006, 音箱用丹拿Evoke20, 跟胆机相比, 完全不一样的声音风格。 低频收放自如非常有能量感, 看电影玩游戏音效大爱。

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并ic和并管子有什么区别?关键在于配对

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参数并联是重点,

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有用d类功放的吗?d类ic自带并联功能

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断桥烟雨 发表于 2022-5-14 17:52
德仪州的文档显示:并联能降低失真度。
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而10% THD+N时的功率为

这个不算什么优点,因为THD大于1%时,就可以轻易看出有截波了。很多功放标称的输出功率 ,是指THD=10%的时候。都已经削顶截波了,谁还在乎失真度稍微改善。
功放并联除了扩大出力之外没啥好处,前几楼有人讲了,不重复。而且都要输出端先个自串联电阻之后再并联。
桥接才是根本之道。

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集成能听,要好、要个性就没有了。

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丹麦王子 发表于 2022-5-20 23:32
并ic和并管子有什么区别?关键在于配对

有区别的,并管是所有管子都在同一个反馈环内,完全同步的;
芯片并联,按厂家电路一般是输出并联,反馈不是同一个反馈环,增益、时延不会一样的;
这种前面有坛友比喻为独唱与合唱的区别,感觉挺贴切。
或许谁感兴趣可以试试就是正负输入端完全脚对脚并联,只在输出串联电阻均流,让芯片工作在完全同步的状态,看看效果怎么样。

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lyr315 发表于 2022-5-21 09:40
有区别的,并管是所有管子都在同一个反馈环内,完全同步的;
芯片并联,按厂家电路一般是输出并联,反馈 ...

厂家线路图关键部位的电阻
都要求精度略高~达到0.1%之类

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丹麦王子 发表于 2022-5-21 10:00
厂家线路图关键部位的电阻
都要求精度略高~达到0.1%之类

那也是有误差的了

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lyr315 发表于 2022-5-21 10:58
那也是有误差的了

那肯定吖,
业余条件下装电路,平时只能够做到万用表测值一致而已,比如用1k电阻,万用表量取两个数值一样的,可以是2x998  或者是2x1002

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 楼主| 发表于 2022-5-24 11:10 | 显示全部楼层
我还想知道的是有没有国外厂家制作的成品机器也是采用并联方式

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据说有句话,电流大了啥都会变好的。
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