oldboy
发表于 2010-6-7 14:42
JC-2的场管是靓声根源
一孤 发表于 2010-6-7 14:04 http://bbs.hifidiy.net/images/common/back.gif
我在罔上,看到故事一則 :
Jhon Crul 的訢 Parasound JC-2
http://www.parasound.com/halo/jc2.php
给雜誌一位有地位老牌寫手劣評,說JC 有北此劣作,百思不得其解 ?
JC 知道後, 叫他把機器寄到JC手上。JC 發現代加工的廠,沒有用他要求的 FET 規格,以至出貨雖Specification 含標準 (儀器量),但音色不知所謂 !!!
weixiang
发表于 2010-6-7 14:47
78# ch639827608
K170/J74是BL档的(约10MA),按兄台的贵见,RS应选多少才适当呢?:loveliness:后面的一级用了C2705/A1145,都是Y档(HFE约180),最后一级是XZT451/551(HFE约120).:loveliness:
ch639827608
发表于 2010-6-7 14:57
83# weixiang
还要根据Rd来定,BL档的,陈达财用10R的Rs,150R的Rd,
BL档:6~12mA的Idss,具体多少?
不过BL档的k170/j74,从Pass的F5看,其Rs不用很大的。
如果是10mA的话,
大约Rd=320R,Rs=340R,
就用500R的可调,Rd=320R,后面两级就原来的电阻参数就可以。
weixiang
发表于 2010-6-7 15:06
84# ch639827608
诚谢兄台!:handshake
ch639827608
发表于 2010-6-7 15:10
85# weixiang
不用谢。
ch639827608
发表于 2010-6-7 15:54
85# weixiang
根据陈达财的JC-2曾经很多人觉得好,还是把Rd改为150R~200R好,VR1就实际调到多少就多少了。
oldboy
发表于 2010-6-7 16:06
83# weixiang
还要根据Rd来定,BL档的,陈达财用10R的Rs,150R的Rd,
BL档:6~12mA的Idss,具体多少?
不过BL档的k170/j74,从Pass的F5看,其Rs不用很大的。
如果是10mA的话,
大约Rd=320R,Rs=340R, ...
ch639827608 发表于 2010-6-7 14:57 http://bbs.hifidiy.net/images/common/back.gif
输出功率管是用2 级的!是否好了,还未有定案 !!!!
ch639827608 : What do you think ?
ch639827608
发表于 2010-6-7 16:18
88# oldboy
输出级增加一级就最后一级电流大一点吧,达到100mA吧。
微风飘渺
发表于 2010-6-7 16:19
輸出級是用什麽管子 ?
oldboy 发表于 2010-6-7 13:19 http://bbs.hifidiy.net/images/common/back.gif
输出级管子用过二种,一是:2N4403/4401,还有是英国管ZTX450/550,但二种管都存在低频这个问题,感觉用4403/4401管低频要好于ZTX管,但中频ZTX管要好于4403/4401管。
差分输入我用的是BL档的K170/J74
WKJ
发表于 2010-6-7 16:49
83# weixiang
还要根据Rd来定,BL档的,陈达财用10R的Rs,150R的Rd,
BL档:6~12mA的Idss,具体多少?
不过BL档的k170/j74,从Pass的F5看,其Rs不用很大的。
如果是10mA的话,
大约Rd=320R,Rs=340R, ...
ch639827608 发表于 2010-6-7 14:57 http://bbs.hifidiy.net/images/common/back.gif
陈达财的2010版本.,RS跟RB用的是多少
一孤
发表于 2010-6-7 16:51
增加第一级输入电流对低频有改进,我装了几个版本的JC-2,现在装的4并场管JC-2低频比以前装的好出几条街
oldboy
发表于 2010-6-7 16:59
增加第一级输入电流对低频有改进,我装了几个版本的JC-2,现在装的4并场管JC-2低频比以前装的好出几条街
一孤 发表于 2010-6-7 16:51 http://bbs.hifidiy.net/images/common/back.gif
輸出級是用什麽管子 ?
一孤
发表于 2010-6-7 17:12
我用BD139/140
一孤
发表于 2010-6-7 17:13
2010 JC-2用24v供电,所以动态和低频有明显改善,原作者 John Curl 说可以直接推动耳机
ch639827608
发表于 2010-6-7 17:16
91# WKJ
陈达财最近的我没看资料,我看08年的是Rd=150R,Rs=10R,
按照JC-2原作者本人John Curl的介绍:
Idss of input fets should be 25ma or more.
__________________14th April 2009, 12:11 AM
Parallel 2 V series Toshiba fets.
14th April 2009, 02:18 AM
输入级JFET的Idss要25mA或大于,达不到时用2对V档的东芝JFET管并联,
V档Idss:10~20mA
网友Aneat问
:less than 15mA why is not recommend for?
when Idss is smaller we can increase Rd & decrease Rs,the way whether not good?
John Curl昨天(2010/06/06)的回答:
Sorry that I did not get back to answer questions, I didn't see this thread for awhile.
Unfortunately, I cannot give additional info on the JC-2 attenuators, as I did not design them.
The original JC-2 design was done in 1973, or 37 years ago. At that time, all we had available to us were Siliconix j-fets, in general, and for special applications, Union Carbide, Motorola, or Crystalonics.
The JC-2 phono input stage used Siliconix J110 input devices that are high current switches, that usually have an Idss of over 20 ma. The input devices were used at about 15 ma ea for lowest possible input noise. When you change the Id of the input devices in order to use lower Idss types, then you MUST change the load resistors, and this LOWERS the open loop bandwidth. Still, the change is not too great, IF you use high Idss devices like the 2SK170 V series. Running at 1/2 the originally designed current is not too different, BUT it will be another design if you run less.
The output j-fets of the phono stage. Lowering the Idss on these devices will lower the slew rate significantly, if taken too far.
The same problem with the complementary j-fets in the input driver stage. It is designed with a very high open loop bandwidth, on purpose, and this will be lost IF the input stage load resistors are increased too much. Still the V series 2SK170 and 2SJ74 series will work pretty well, for the output of the phono stage and the input of the line driver amp, with resistor changes.
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一孤
发表于 2010-6-7 17:20
ch639827608 兄的英文水平高
weixiang
发表于 2010-6-7 19:52
2010 JC-2用24v供电,所以动态和低频有明显改善,原作者 John Curl 说可以直接推动耳机
一孤 发表于 2010-6-7 17:13 http://bbs.hifidiy.net/images/common/back.gif
提高供电电压的做法,我于以前所装的(佛山伟良兄版本F5)里已试过,当时从原来的15V提至19V,后级管改用了中功率5171/1930,输出管电流只调至12MA,直接推耳机时感觉低频还是不足,且分析力可能因为改用中功率管的原因,而有所下降.今次再装,亦打算把供电电压替至22-25V之间,看看会否有所改善.:loveliness:
442
发表于 2010-6-7 20:55
反馈隔直电容的影响不可小看,DC或许是个出路,保留输出电容就不怕直流漂移.
一孤
发表于 2010-6-7 22:42
同意楼上的说法
WKJ
发表于 2010-6-7 22:55
陈达财的2010JC-2已经把Rd改为300R了.不知为何这么改
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